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Chester Longtime Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: Tiger Woods, Buddhism, and Fox News |
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Oh, Brother …
Posted on January 3, 2010 by dakinikat
This has to rate up there with one of the biggest displays of ignorance by a pundit/journalist I’ve read in some time. Of course, it happened on Faux News, and of course, its bias shows their bias in general. It’s a biggie from Brent Hume about Tiger Woods’ serial infidelity. I guess if Hume was a Republican office holder he might have a special insider view on serial infidelity, but instead he said something that is so laughable that I have to wonder if he’s every really looked at any other religions.
I grabbed this off of “the raw story” which oddly just listed a bunch of celebrity Buddhists as some kind of justification for Tiger’s Buddhism.
| Quote: | Buddhism is inferior to Christianity when it comes to forgiveness of sins, according to Fox News pundit Brit Hume. Tiger Woods should turn his back on Buddhism and become a Christian to be forgiven for cheating on his wife, Hume told Fox News’ Chris Wallace Sunday.
“The extent to which he can recover seems to me depends on his faith,” said Hume. “He is said to be a Buddhist. I don’t think that faith offers the kind of redemption and forgiveness offered by the Christian faith. My message to Tiger is, ‘Tiger turn to the Christian faith and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world.” |
Okay, so now you can watch it yourself.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/oh-brother-2/ |
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wildbill
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| by what provision does a buddist aquire forgiveness and atonement ? |
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stix Longtime Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest that this link is wrongly posted in this religion forum.
And that is because Buddhists as individuals believe that “forgiveness of sin” is an absurdity. Stated in a less provocative way, “sin” is a nonexistent concept to Buddhists, and therefore “forgiveness of sin” is a non sequitur. This is not in theological conflict with anything Hume said.
Furthermore, the public redemption of Woods will almost entirely depend on non- Buddhists who do think what he did (to his wife and children) was a sin, and whose forgiveness will be required for him to recover his original stature. This too is in not in conflict with the political opinion that Hume posed.
If Hume erred at all, it was when he suggested Woods should convert to Christianity to foster better feelings about himself. To the contrary, if Woods is a true Buddhist believer, he will not be seeking personal redemption, but will be pursuing good works to assuage the negative assault he has made to his Karma…
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Chester Longtime Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| wildbill wrote: | | by what provision does a buddist aquire forgiveness and atonement ? |
I think that's between Tiger and his wife (ex-wife). It was wrong of Hume to bring religion into it. I thought he was trying to work on it by going to a marriage counselor and to rehab. |
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stix Longtime Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Chester wrote: | | wildbill wrote: | | by what provision does a buddist aquire forgiveness and atonement ? |
I think that's between Tiger and his wife (ex-wife). It was wrong of Hume to bring religion into it. I thought he was trying to work on it by going to a marriage counselor and to rehab. |
If this answer was meant to be theology based, it is nonsense...
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wildbill
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ....... would someone please point to the 'laughable' part ? |
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Chester Longtime Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:15 am Post subject: |
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the laughable part is Hume imploring Tiger to convert as his only chance at seeking forgiveness and at offering an example to the world. the video is embedded in the link at the top of the page.
i think it's also naive on his part to equate forgiveness and reconciliation. the sum total of his actions and the nature of his profession has probably made it impossible for him to be trusted by his wife again imo. |
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stix Longtime Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Chester wrote: | | i think it's also naive on his part to equate forgiveness and reconciliation. the sum total of his actions and the nature of his profession has probably made it impossible for him to be trusted by his wife again imo. |
Woods is (was) a public icon. Hume's comments were about public reconciliation, and not about his private relations with his wife. Non-Buddhists in the majority (sponsors, golf professionals, the public) will determine Wood's future.. and on this count Hume was absolutely correct...
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RestonResident Longtime Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| I hope he converts to judaism. We can hang out at a deli. I can probablyt get him 10% off on pastrami sandwiches if he comes over to us. |
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wildbill
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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a quick 're-scan' of the Hume comment did not reveal the word "only" ...
Chester,
...was the addition of the word, "only" - an attempt to flavor Hume's comment as being more restrictive and intolerant than what he ( Hume ) may have intended ? I could only locate, at best, a mild comparison between Christianity and Buddhism... Actually, It struck me more so, that Hume may have had some degree of concern for the valley that Tiger has now found himself in. That's of course, only a weak hunch on my part.
Regarding the reconcilliation part, there have been numerous episodes where Christians have successfully forgiven such behavior - and even worse [ recalling a few instances whereby murderers have been contacted in prison and notified of having been forgiven by the victim's surviving family members.] To scoff at such a notion just may indicate a need on your own part to truly explore those concepts held dear by those whose beliefs differ from your own... not necessarily to adopt them, but to at least better understand them. |
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